Spontaneous stochasticity amplifies even thermal noise to the largest scales of turbulence in a few eddy turnover times
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| author | Bandak, Dmytro Mailybaev, Alexei Eyink, Gregory L. Goldenfeld, Nigel |
| author_facet | Bandak, Dmytro Mailybaev, Alexei Eyink, Gregory L. Goldenfeld, Nigel |
| contents | How predictable are turbulent flows? Here we use theoretical estimates and shell model simulations to argue that Eulerian spontaneous stochasticity, a manifestation of the non-uniqueness of the solutions to the Euler equation that is conjectured to occur in Navier-Stokes turbulence at high Reynolds numbers, leads to universal statistics at finite times, not just at infinite time as for standard chaos. These universal statistics are predictable, even though individual flow realizations are not. Any small-scale noise vanishing slowly enough with increasing Reynolds number can trigger spontaneous stochasticity and here we show that thermal noise alone, in the absence of any larger disturbances, would suffice. If confirmed for Navier-Stokes turbulence, our findings would imply that intrinsic stochasticity of turbulent fluid motions at all scales can be triggered even by unavoidable molecular noise, with implications for modeling in engineering, climate, astrophysics and cosmology. |
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| spellingShingle | Spontaneous stochasticity amplifies even thermal noise to the largest scales of turbulence in a few eddy turnover times Bandak, Dmytro Mailybaev, Alexei Eyink, Gregory L. Goldenfeld, Nigel Fluid Dynamics How predictable are turbulent flows? Here we use theoretical estimates and shell model simulations to argue that Eulerian spontaneous stochasticity, a manifestation of the non-uniqueness of the solutions to the Euler equation that is conjectured to occur in Navier-Stokes turbulence at high Reynolds numbers, leads to universal statistics at finite times, not just at infinite time as for standard chaos. These universal statistics are predictable, even though individual flow realizations are not. Any small-scale noise vanishing slowly enough with increasing Reynolds number can trigger spontaneous stochasticity and here we show that thermal noise alone, in the absence of any larger disturbances, would suffice. If confirmed for Navier-Stokes turbulence, our findings would imply that intrinsic stochasticity of turbulent fluid motions at all scales can be triggered even by unavoidable molecular noise, with implications for modeling in engineering, climate, astrophysics and cosmology. |
| title | Spontaneous stochasticity amplifies even thermal noise to the largest scales of turbulence in a few eddy turnover times |
| topic | Fluid Dynamics |
| url | https://arxiv.org/abs/2401.13881 |