Understanding and Improving Shampoo and SOAP via Kullback-Leibler Minimization
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| author | Lin, Wu Lowe, Scott C. Dangel, Felix Eschenhagen, Runa Xu, Zikun Grosse, Roger B. |
| author_facet | Lin, Wu Lowe, Scott C. Dangel, Felix Eschenhagen, Runa Xu, Zikun Grosse, Roger B. |
| contents | Shampoo and its efficient variant, SOAP, employ structured second-moment estimations and have shown strong performance for training neural networks (NNs). In practice, however, Shampoo typically requires step-size grafting with Adam to be competitive, and SOAP mitigates this by applying Adam in Shampoo's eigenbasis -- at the cost of additional memory overhead from Adam in both methods. Prior analyses have largely relied on the Frobenius norm to motivate these estimation schemes. We instead recast their estimation procedures as covariance estimation under Kullback-Leibler (KL) divergence minimization, revealing a previously overlooked theoretical limitation and motivating principled redesigns. Building on this perspective, we develop $\textbf{KL-Shampoo}$ and $\textbf{KL-SOAP}$, practical schemes that match or exceed the performance of Shampoo and SOAP in NN pre-training while achieving SOAP-level per-iteration runtime. Notably, KL-Shampoo does not rely on Adam to attain competitive performance, eliminating the memory overhead introduced by Adam. Across our experiments, KL-Shampoo consistently outperforms SOAP, Shampoo, and even KL-SOAP, establishing the KL-based approach as a promising foundation for designing structured methods in NN optimization. An implementation of KL-Shampoo/KL-SOAP is available at https://github.com/yorkerlin/KL-Methods |
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| spellingShingle | Understanding and Improving Shampoo and SOAP via Kullback-Leibler Minimization Lin, Wu Lowe, Scott C. Dangel, Felix Eschenhagen, Runa Xu, Zikun Grosse, Roger B. Machine Learning Shampoo and its efficient variant, SOAP, employ structured second-moment estimations and have shown strong performance for training neural networks (NNs). In practice, however, Shampoo typically requires step-size grafting with Adam to be competitive, and SOAP mitigates this by applying Adam in Shampoo's eigenbasis -- at the cost of additional memory overhead from Adam in both methods. Prior analyses have largely relied on the Frobenius norm to motivate these estimation schemes. We instead recast their estimation procedures as covariance estimation under Kullback-Leibler (KL) divergence minimization, revealing a previously overlooked theoretical limitation and motivating principled redesigns. Building on this perspective, we develop $\textbf{KL-Shampoo}$ and $\textbf{KL-SOAP}$, practical schemes that match or exceed the performance of Shampoo and SOAP in NN pre-training while achieving SOAP-level per-iteration runtime. Notably, KL-Shampoo does not rely on Adam to attain competitive performance, eliminating the memory overhead introduced by Adam. Across our experiments, KL-Shampoo consistently outperforms SOAP, Shampoo, and even KL-SOAP, establishing the KL-based approach as a promising foundation for designing structured methods in NN optimization. An implementation of KL-Shampoo/KL-SOAP is available at https://github.com/yorkerlin/KL-Methods |
| title | Understanding and Improving Shampoo and SOAP via Kullback-Leibler Minimization |
| topic | Machine Learning |
| url | https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.03378 |