Optimal Scaling Needs Optimal Norm
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| author | Filatov, Oleg Wang, Jiangtao Ebert, Jan Kesselheim, Stefan |
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| contents | Despite recent progress in optimal hyperparameter transfer under model and dataset scaling, no unifying explanatory principle has been established. For Adam and Scion optimizers, we discover that joint optimal scaling across model and dataset sizes is conditioned on a single invariant: the operator norm of the output layer. Across models with up to 1.3B parameters trained on up to 138B tokens, the optimal learning rate/batch size pair $(η^{\ast}, B^{\ast})$ consistently has the same operator norm value - a phenomenon we term norm transfer. This constant norm condition is necessary but not sufficient: while for each dataset size, multiple $(η, B)$ reach the optimal norm, only a unique $(η^{\ast}, B^{\ast})$ achieves the best loss. As a sufficient condition, we provide the first measurement of $(η^{\ast}, B^{\ast})$ scaling with dataset size for Scion, and find that the scaling rules are consistent with those of Adam. Tuning per-layer-group learning rates also improves model performance, with the output layer being the most sensitive and hidden layers benefiting from lower learning rates. We provide practical insights on norm-guided optimal scaling and release our Distributed Scion (Disco) implementation with logs from over two thousand runs to support research on LLM training dynamics at scale. |
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| spellingShingle | Optimal Scaling Needs Optimal Norm Filatov, Oleg Wang, Jiangtao Ebert, Jan Kesselheim, Stefan Machine Learning Artificial Intelligence Despite recent progress in optimal hyperparameter transfer under model and dataset scaling, no unifying explanatory principle has been established. For Adam and Scion optimizers, we discover that joint optimal scaling across model and dataset sizes is conditioned on a single invariant: the operator norm of the output layer. Across models with up to 1.3B parameters trained on up to 138B tokens, the optimal learning rate/batch size pair $(η^{\ast}, B^{\ast})$ consistently has the same operator norm value - a phenomenon we term norm transfer. This constant norm condition is necessary but not sufficient: while for each dataset size, multiple $(η, B)$ reach the optimal norm, only a unique $(η^{\ast}, B^{\ast})$ achieves the best loss. As a sufficient condition, we provide the first measurement of $(η^{\ast}, B^{\ast})$ scaling with dataset size for Scion, and find that the scaling rules are consistent with those of Adam. Tuning per-layer-group learning rates also improves model performance, with the output layer being the most sensitive and hidden layers benefiting from lower learning rates. We provide practical insights on norm-guided optimal scaling and release our Distributed Scion (Disco) implementation with logs from over two thousand runs to support research on LLM training dynamics at scale. |
| title | Optimal Scaling Needs Optimal Norm |
| topic | Machine Learning Artificial Intelligence |
| url | https://arxiv.org/abs/2510.03871 |