GeoNorm: Unify Pre-Norm and Post-Norm with Geodesic Optimization

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Main Authors: Zheng, Chuanyang, Sun, Jiankai, Gao, Yihang, Wang, Chi, Wang, Yuehao, Xiong, Jing, Ren, Liliang, Peng, Bo, Wang, Qingmei, Shang, Xiaoran, Schwager, Mac, Schneider, Anderson, Nevmyvaka, Yuriy, Liu, Xiaodong
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author Zheng, Chuanyang
Sun, Jiankai
Gao, Yihang
Wang, Chi
Wang, Yuehao
Xiong, Jing
Ren, Liliang
Peng, Bo
Wang, Qingmei
Shang, Xiaoran
Schwager, Mac
Schneider, Anderson
Nevmyvaka, Yuriy
Liu, Xiaodong
author_facet Zheng, Chuanyang
Sun, Jiankai
Gao, Yihang
Wang, Chi
Wang, Yuehao
Xiong, Jing
Ren, Liliang
Peng, Bo
Wang, Qingmei
Shang, Xiaoran
Schwager, Mac
Schneider, Anderson
Nevmyvaka, Yuriy
Liu, Xiaodong
contents The placement of normalization layers, specifically Pre-Norm and Post-Norm, remains an open question in Transformer architecture design. In this work, we rethink these approaches through the lens of manifold optimization, interpreting the outputs of the Feed-Forward Network (FFN) and attention layers as update directions in optimization. Building on this perspective, we introduce GeoNorm, a novel method that replaces standard normalization with geodesic updates on the manifold. Furthermore, analogous to learning rate schedules, we propose a layer-wise update decay for the FFN and attention components. Comprehensive experiments demonstrate that GeoNorm consistently outperforms existing normalization methods in Transformer models. Crucially, GeoNorm can be seamlessly integrated into standard Transformer architectures, achieving performance improvements with negligible additional computational cost.
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spellingShingle GeoNorm: Unify Pre-Norm and Post-Norm with Geodesic Optimization
Zheng, Chuanyang
Sun, Jiankai
Gao, Yihang
Wang, Chi
Wang, Yuehao
Xiong, Jing
Ren, Liliang
Peng, Bo
Wang, Qingmei
Shang, Xiaoran
Schwager, Mac
Schneider, Anderson
Nevmyvaka, Yuriy
Liu, Xiaodong
Machine Learning
Computation and Language
The placement of normalization layers, specifically Pre-Norm and Post-Norm, remains an open question in Transformer architecture design. In this work, we rethink these approaches through the lens of manifold optimization, interpreting the outputs of the Feed-Forward Network (FFN) and attention layers as update directions in optimization. Building on this perspective, we introduce GeoNorm, a novel method that replaces standard normalization with geodesic updates on the manifold. Furthermore, analogous to learning rate schedules, we propose a layer-wise update decay for the FFN and attention components. Comprehensive experiments demonstrate that GeoNorm consistently outperforms existing normalization methods in Transformer models. Crucially, GeoNorm can be seamlessly integrated into standard Transformer architectures, achieving performance improvements with negligible additional computational cost.
title GeoNorm: Unify Pre-Norm and Post-Norm with Geodesic Optimization
topic Machine Learning
Computation and Language
url https://arxiv.org/abs/2601.22095